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[pitbull]

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;183
type greek cavalry hippeis
dictionary greek_cavalry_hippeis ; Hippeis
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_cavalry_hippeis, 25, 0, 1
mount medium horse
mount_effect elephant -1, chariot +2
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy
formation 1.5, 4, 3, 6, 4, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 8, 27, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.15
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 9, 15, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 6, 10, 4, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 4
stat_ground 0, -2, -8, -4
stat_mental 12, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 250
stat_fire_delay -200000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 2151, 538, 40, 60, 2151
ownership greek_cities, thrace, slave

;173
type greek infantry taxeis hoplitai
dictionary greek_infantry_taxeis_hoplitai ; Hoplitai Haploi
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_infantry_taxeishoplitai_poenicitizenmilitia, 40, 0, 1.14
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect horse +1, elephant -1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest
formation 0.85, 1.4, 0.82, 1.2, 4, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 12, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_pri_attr light_spear
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 3, 10, 5, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 0, -2, -4, -4
stat_mental 12, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 10
stat_fire_delay 5000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 809, 202, 30, 40, 809
ownership greek_cities, macedon, thrace, carthage, slave

;333
type hellenistic infantry hoplitai
dictionary hellenistic_infantry_hoplitai ; Hoplitai
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_infantry_hoplitai_hellenikoi, 40, 0, 1.22
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect horse +1, elephant -1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy
formation 0.8, 1.2, 0.78, 1, 4, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 14, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_pri_attr light_spear
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 8, 14, 6, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 4
stat_ground 0, -2, -4, -4
stat_mental 16, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 10
stat_fire_delay 5000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1367, 342, 80, 498, 1367
ownership thrace, greek_cities, macedon, romans_julii, carthage, numidia, dacia, armenia, egypt, slave

;176
type greek infantry taxeis phalangitai
dictionary hellenistic_infantry_taxeis_phalangitai ; Phalangitai Deuteroi
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type Light_1
soldier hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_machimoi_taxeisphalangitai, 60, 0, 1.4
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect horse +1, elephant -1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy
formation 1.1, 1, 1, 1, 8, square, phalanx
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 17, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.17
stat_pri_attr long_pike, light_spear
stat_sec 7, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 5, 11, 4, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 0, -2, -6, -4
stat_mental 12, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 1
stat_fire_delay 5000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1479, 370, 40, 50, 1479
ownership macedon, thrace

;172
type greek missile sphendenotai
dictionary greek_missile_sphendenotai ; Sphendonetai
category infantry
class missile
voice_type Heavy_1
soldier hellenistic_missile_sphendenotai_accensi, 30, 0, 0.85
mount_effect chariot +2, horse -2, elephant +2
attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, very_hardy
formation 2.4, 3, 3.4, 4.8, 4, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 1, 0, bullet, 185, 30, missile, archery, blunt, none, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr ap
stat_sec 4, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 1, 8, 2, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 0
stat_ground 2, -2, -2, -4
stat_mental 8, low, untrained
stat_charge_dist 300
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 569, 142, 75, 47, 569
ownership thrace, macedon, greek_cities, carthage, romans_julii, numidia, dacia, armenia, gauls, scythia, slave

;451
type dacian infantry rhompharoi thorakitai
dictionary dacian_infantry_rhompharoi_thorakitai ; Thraikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Light_1
soldier dacian_infantry_rhompharoi_thorakitai, 30, 0, 1.18
mount_effect horse +1, elephant -1
attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, very_hardy, frighten_foot
formation 1.6, 1.4, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health 1, 8
stat_pri 11, 8, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.285
stat_pri_attr ap
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 9, 14, 3, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 6
stat_ground 2, -3, 3, 0
stat_mental 18, impetuous, untrained
stat_charge_dist 100
stat_fire_delay 5000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 2899, 725, 100, 25, 2899
ownership dacia, macedon, thrace, carthage, greek_cities, slave

Легкая конница греков, гоплиты и гоплиты ополченцы, фалангиты-деутерои, пращники греков и ромфайофорои гетов. Попробовал на среднем уровне сложности в кастоме - понравилось. Бои довольно долгие, можно успеть обойти в тыл, но не настолько затянутые, чтобы наскучить или удержать ополчением элиту. Плюс ополчение дерется в целом пристойно и свою задачу выполняет, но отличается нестойкостью - может побежать в самый неподходящий момент. Конница, по крайней мере легкая, чарджит сносно в тыл, но в лоб не потянет даже не срезая веса коней - легкая греческая в тыл выносит 4-5 гоплитов-профи, но нужно тут же отводить, иначе поляжет. Попробую сейчас сделать образец тяжелой степной конницы в хороших доспехах.

Напоминаю всем, что это всего лишь альтернативная версия файла EDU для ЕВ, не более. Я стараюсь не отходить сильно от величины параметров оригинала ЕВ1.2, лишь сделать их более вменяемыми. Вцелом бои ЕВ меня устраивают и по сложности, и по протяженности, нужно лишь сделать разницу между типами отрядов порезче и чуть-чуть выровнять баланс, а то ополчение ну вообще никуда не годно.

[pitbull]

Конницу вообще можно не править, практически. А вот метательное оружие придется урезать, особенно степным, иначе это смертоубийство получается. Что интересно - в ЕВ стрелы и легкие дротики убойнее, чем пилумы римлян
Ну и нужно еще подумать над величинами брони. А в целом неплохо. Пора добавить варварских войск и потестить.

[pitbull]

Перепроверил все еще раз, вроде без косяков. Вот получился приличный кусок греческих отрядов, остальное дело техники, эллинов завтра уже закончу. Здесь пращники, аконтисты, критские лучники, пельтасты, туреофоры, торакиты, спартиаты, гоплиты-ополченцы, гоплиты, деутерои, педзетайры и греческая конница.

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;183
type greek cavalry hippeis
dictionary greek_cavalry_hippeis ; Hippeis
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_cavalry_hippeis, 25, 0, 1
mount medium horse
mount_effect elephant -1, chariot +2
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy
formation 1.4, 4, 1.5, 4, 4, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 8, 27, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.15
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 9, 15, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 7, 10, 4, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 4
stat_ground 0, -2, -8, -4
stat_mental 12, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 250
stat_fire_delay -200000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 2151, 538, 40, 60, 2151
ownership greek_cities, thrace, slave

;173
type greek infantry taxeis hoplitai
dictionary greek_infantry_taxeis_hoplitai ; Hoplitai Haploi
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_infantry_taxeishoplitai_poenicitizenmilitia, 40, 0, 1.14
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect horse +1, elephant -1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest
formation 0.85, 1.4, 0.82, 1.2, 4, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 12, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_pri_attr light_spear
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 3, 10, 5, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 0, -2, -4, -4
stat_mental 12, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 10
stat_fire_delay 5000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 809, 202, 30, 40, 809
ownership greek_cities, macedon, thrace, carthage, slave

;176
type greek infantry taxeis phalangitai
dictionary hellenistic_infantry_taxeis_phalangitai ; Phalangitai Deuteroi
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type Light_1
soldier hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_machimoi_taxeisphalangitai, 60, 0, 1.4
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect horse +1, elephant -1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy
formation 1.1, 1, 1, 1, 8, square, phalanx
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 17, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.17
stat_pri_attr long_pike, light_spear
stat_sec 7, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 6, 10, 4, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 0, -2, -6, -4
stat_mental 12, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 1
stat_fire_delay 5000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1479, 370, 40, 50, 1479
ownership macedon, thrace

;177
type greek infantry thorakitai
dictionary greek_infantry_thorakitai ; Thorakitai
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type Female_1
soldier carthaginian_infantry_lybianspearmen_thorakitai_scortamavera, 40, 0, 1.22
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect elephant -1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, very_hardy
formation 1, 1.4, 0.96, 1.2, 4, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 5, 4, javelin, 35, 3, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown, ap
stat_sec 15, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr light_spear
stat_pri_armour 10, 11, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 5
stat_ground 0, -2, -2, -4
stat_mental 16, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 35
stat_fire_delay -55000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1910, 478, 40, 60, 1910
ownership romans_brutii, romans_julii, greek_cities, numidia, thrace

;172
type greek missile sphendenotai
dictionary greek_missile_sphendenotai ; Sphendonetai
category infantry
class missile
voice_type Heavy_1
soldier hellenistic_missile_sphendenotai_accensi, 30, 0, 0.85
mount_effect chariot +2, horse -2, elephant +2
attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, very_hardy
formation 2.4, 3, 3.4, 4.8, 4, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 1, 0, bullet, 185, 30, missile, archery, blunt, none, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr ap
stat_sec 4, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 1, 8, 2, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 0
stat_ground 2, -2, -2, -4
stat_mental 8, low, untrained
stat_charge_dist 300
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 569, 142, 75, 47, 569
ownership thrace, macedon, greek_cities, carthage, romans_julii, numidia, dacia, armenia, gauls, scythia, slave

;142
type greek skirmisher akontistai
dictionary greek_skirmisher_akontistai ; Akontistai
category infantry
class missile
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_missile_akontistai, 60, 0, 0.85
mount_effect elephant +2, chariot +4, horse -2
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy, hide_long_grass, can_swim
formation 1.2, 1.8, 1.4, 2, 5, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 5, 2, javelin, 55, 6, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
stat_pri_attr thrown
stat_sec 4, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 1, 9, 2, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 0
stat_ground 2, -2, -2, -4
stat_mental 8, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 155
stat_fire_delay -70000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 810, 202, 20, 30, 810
ownership thrace, macedon, carthage, romans_julii, numidia, seleucid, egypt, greek_cities, dacia, armenia, gauls, scythia, slave

;167
type greek skirmisher peltastai
dictionary greek_skirmisher_peltastai ; Peltastai
category infantry
class missile
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_missile_peltastai, 40, 0, 1.05
mount_effect elephant +2, chariot +4, horse -1
attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, hardy
formation 1.2, 1.6, 1.4, 2, 5, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 5, 4, javelin, 55, 6, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
stat_pri_attr thrown
stat_sec 7, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 7, 9, 5, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 4
stat_ground 2, -2, -2, -4
stat_mental 10, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 155
stat_fire_delay -70000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1218, 305, 85, 386, 1218
ownership thrace, macedon, carthage, romans_julii, numidia, romans_brutii, slave

;326
type hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai
dictionary hellenistic_infantry_spartiateshoplitai ; Spartiates Hoplitai
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_infantry_spartiateshoplitai, 40, 0, 1.22
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect elephant -1, horse +1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, very_hardy
formation 0.78, 1.2, 0.78, 1, 4, square
stat_health 1, 9
stat_pri 17, 8, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_pri_attr light_spear
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 11, 13, 6, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 5
stat_ground 0, -2, -4, -4
stat_mental 18, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 10
stat_fire_delay 5000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 3095, 774, 60, 504, 3095
ownership greek_cities

;179
type hellenistic infantry thureophoroi
dictionary hellenistic_infantry_thureophoroi ; Thureophoroi
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_infantry_thureophoroi_aanatimleebim, 40, 0, 1.15
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, very_hardy
formation 1.1, 1.5, 1, 1.4, 5, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 5, 4, javelin, 35, 3, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown, ap
stat_sec 14, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr light_spear
stat_pri_armour 8, 10, 5, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 2, -2, -2, -4
stat_mental 12, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 35
stat_fire_delay -55000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1337, 334, 70, 498, 1337
ownership romans_julii, romans_brutii, carthage, numidia, macedon, greek_cities, thrace

;304
type hellenistic missile cretan archers
dictionary hellenistic_missile_cretan_archers ; Toxotai Kretikoi
category infantry
class missile
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_missile_cretan_archers, 40, 0, 0.95
mount_effect chariot +4, horse -1, elephant +2
attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, hardy
formation 1.4, 1.6, 2.4, 3.2, 4, square
stat_health 1, 6
stat_pri 5, 2, arrow, 201.6, 35, missile, archery, piercing, none, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 7, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 6, 9, 3, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 2, -2, 0, -4
stat_mental 12, disciplined, trained
stat_charge_dist 300
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1424, 356, 30, 50, 1424
ownership greek_cities, slave

;418
type hellenistic missile cretan archers merc
dictionary hellenistic_missile_cretan_archers_merc ; Toxotai Kretikoi
category infantry
class missile
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_missile_cretan_archers, 40, 0, 0.95
mount_effect chariot +4, horse -1, elephant +2
attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, hardy
formation 1.4, 1.6, 2.4, 3.2, 4, square
stat_health 1, 6
stat_pri 5, 2, arrow, 201.6, 35, missile, archery, piercing, none, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 7, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 6, 9, 3, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 2, -2, 0, -4
stat_mental 12, disciplined, trained
stat_charge_dist 300
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1511, 378, 30, 50, 1511
ownership romans_julii, numidia, carthage, greek_cities, thrace, macedon, seleucid, egypt

;333
type hellenistic infantry hoplitai
dictionary hellenistic_infantry_hoplitai ; Hoplitai
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_infantry_hoplitai_hellenikoi, 40, 0, 1.22
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect horse +1, elephant -1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy
formation 0.82, 1.2, 0.8, 1, 4, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 14, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_pri_attr light_spear
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 9, 12, 6, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 4
stat_ground 0, -2, -4, -4
stat_mental 16, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 10
stat_fire_delay 5000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1367, 342, 80, 498, 1367
ownership thrace, greek_cities, macedon, romans_julii, carthage, numidia, dacia, armenia, egypt, slave

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[RAша]

pitbull, ты делаешь этот EDU с учётом опыта юнитов???

[pitbull]

В смысле?
Ну да, если гоплит воин профессионал, то навык владения оружием у него чуть выше, навык защите чуть выше, намного лучше вооружение и натиск чем у гоплита-ополченца.
А накопленный опыт будет сказываться чуть менее сильно поскольку общая защита чуть выросла по сравнению с ЕВ, также чуть выросла соответственно и протяженность битв, но не сильно.

[pitbull]

Ну, потестил внимательно всю линейку эллинов что успел сделать плюс штурмовые отряды ромфайофороев, нормально. На сложности боя "хард" будет оптимально на мой взгляд. Можно на 1-2 пункта повысить общее значение брони если только, чтобы оставить базовые значения стрелковой атаки, иначе степные фракции останутся убер. Ромфайофорои Гетов получились хорошие, в лоб прорубаются даже через фалангу профессиональных греческих гоплитов, и в тыл вырезают начисто фалангу педзетайров, но сольют, если их окружить и обстреливать. Численность им оставил прежнюю, их не должно быть много, и так очень сильные.
Теперь надо добавить параметр плотности стоя классической фаланге греков, чтобы она оставалось силой против новых типов войск - туреофоров-торакитов, которые в рукопашной немного уступают, но сильно выигрывают благодаря наличию тяжелых дротиков.

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Линейка эллинов практически готова, со многими региональными юнитами вроде галатов. Потестил в различных вариантах, очень хорошо. Чуть поправлены значения брони (шлем теперь +3), разобрался с пределами параметра защиты у разных типов юнитов (так ополчение 9-10, профи 10-12, отборные части 12-14, особые отряды до 20 вроде галатов). Атака остается практически на прежнем уровне, чуть усилено действие метательного оружия (соответственно возросшей защите), добавлен параметр "ар" дротикам метателей вроде туреофоров и торакитов (как то странно смотрится, что пилумы легионеров имеют бронепробиваемость, а тяжелые дротики эллинов нет). Добавлены параметры плотности классическим фалангам и фаланкам македонского типа, немного, ради визуальной плотности отряда в бою, дерутся они и так неплохо. Чуть меньшая плотность у туреофоров и торкакитов, которые тоже могут сражаться фалангой. Всевозможные пельтасты и прочая параметром плотности не обладают, зато имеют меньший вес и медленнее выдыхаются. Пытаюсь вспомнить, как называется параметр, отвечающий за быстрое перемещение. Добавлю его всем легким метателям, чтобы еще сильнее выразить разницу между фалангой и легкими стрелками.
Скрины тестирования, сложность нормал:

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Теперь ополчение бежит когда выдохлось и получает хороший залп тяжелыми дротиками в тыл, либо выдохлось и потеряв 50% состава дерется в окружении. Профессионалы вроде гоплитов и педзетайров дерутся стойко, бегут только выдохнувшись и потеряв не менее 70% состава в окружении.

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Если кому-нибудь будет интересно потестить пишите в личку, бои лучше играть на сложности "хард" или "нормал".
Боевка в целом по соотношения очень близка к оригинальной ЕВ1.2, но выправлены статы отдельных отрядов, чуть поднята общая защита, приподнята мораль и выправлены бонусы за местность. Таким образом сохраняется оригинальный подход к бою в ЕВ, но бой становится логичнее. Фаланга профессионалов-педзетайров сольет в окружении, но сделает это не так феерично, как в оригинале. Ополчение может сдержать профессиональных гоплитов и не побежит сразу, но сдерживанием и ограничится - серьезного урона им не нанесут, только измотают (в этом и смысл). На сложности "хард" вполне хватает времени, чтобы повторить "Канны" - легкий центр удерживает рвущиеся вперед части противника, сильные фланги сминают фланги противника и выходят в тыл. При этом бои не слишком затянутые, и вам не придется идти курить и наливать чай если бой идет в городе.

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Вот самая последняя версия EDU, еще уменьшен радиус т.к. греческая фаланга врассыпную дерется, надо плотнее строй. Повышена атака метательным оружием.
Данные нужно заменить в "export_deskr_unit" папки "Rome Total War\EB\mp game edu backup" у соответствующих юнитов для тестирования в кастоме. Рекомендуемая сложность "хард" и "нормал".

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Вот балда, забыл выложить

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type greek infantry taxeis hoplitai
dictionary greek_infantry_taxeis_hoplitai ; Hoplitai Haploi
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_infantry_taxeishoplitai_poenicitizenmilitia, 40, 0, 1.18, 0.32
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect elephant -1, horse +1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest
formation 0.8, 1.1, 0.78, 1, 4, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 12, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_pri_attr light_spear
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 4, 10, 6, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 0, -2, -4, -4
stat_mental 10, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 20
stat_fire_delay 5000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 809, 202, 30, 40, 809
ownership greek_cities, macedon, thrace, carthage, slave

;333
type hellenistic infantry hoplitai
dictionary hellenistic_infantry_hoplitai ; Hoplitai
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_infantry_hoplitai_hellenikoi, 40, 0, 1.22, 0.3
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect elephant -1, horse +1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, very_hardy
formation 0.76, 1, 0.72, 1, 4, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 14, 8, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_pri_attr light_spear
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 10, 12, 6, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 0, -2, -4, -4
stat_mental 15, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 20
stat_fire_delay 5000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1367, 342, 80, 498, 1367
ownership thrace, greek_cities, macedon, romans_julii, carthage, numidia, dacia, armenia, egypt, slave

;176
type greek infantry taxeis phalangitai
dictionary hellenistic_infantry_taxeis_phalangitai ; Phalangitai Deuteroi
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type Light_1
soldier hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_machimoi_taxeisphalangitai, 60, 0, 1.4, 0.34
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect elephant -1, horse +1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap
formation 1, 1, 1, 1, 8, square, phalanx
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 16, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.17
stat_pri_attr long_pike, light_spear
stat_sec 7, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 8, 9, 4, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 2
stat_ground 0, -2, -6, -4
stat_mental 10, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 1
stat_fire_delay 5000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1479, 370, 40, 50, 1479
ownership macedon, thrace

;177
type greek infantry thorakitai
dictionary greek_infantry_thorakitai ; Thorakitai
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type Female_1
soldier carthaginian_infantry_lybianspearmen_thorakitai_scortamavera, 40, 0, 1.18, 0.34
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect elephant -1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy
formation 1, 1.4, 1.1, 1.4, 5, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 6, 4, javelin, 35, 3, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown, ap
stat_sec 15, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr light_spear
stat_pri_armour 11, 10, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 4
stat_ground 2, -2, -2, -4
stat_mental 14, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 35
stat_fire_delay -55000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1910, 478, 40, 60, 1910
ownership romans_brutii, romans_julii, greek_cities, numidia, thrace

;179
type hellenistic infantry thureophoroi
dictionary hellenistic_infantry_thureophoroi ; Thureophoroi
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_infantry_thureophoroi_aanatimleebim, 40, 0, 1.15, 0.34
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy
formation 1, 1.4, 1.1, 1.4, 5, square
stat_health 1, 1
stat_pri 6, 4, javelin, 35, 3, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown, ap
stat_sec 14, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr light_spear
stat_pri_armour 9, 10, 4, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 2, -2, -2, -4
stat_mental 12, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 35
stat_fire_delay -55000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1337, 334, 70, 498, 1337
ownership romans_julii, romans_brutii, carthage, numidia, macedon, greek_cities, thrace

;326
type hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai
dictionary hellenistic_infantry_spartiateshoplitai ; Spartiates Hoplitai
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_infantry_spartiateshoplitai, 40, 0, 1.22, 0.28
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect elephant -1, horse +1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, very_hardy
formation 0.74, 1, 0.72, 1, 4, square
stat_health 1, 9
stat_pri 17, 8, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_pri_attr light_spear
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 12, 13, 6, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 4
stat_ground 0, -1, -4, -3
stat_mental 18, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 20
stat_fire_delay 5000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 3095, 774, 60, 504, 3095
ownership greek_cities

;167
type greek skirmisher peltastai
dictionary greek_skirmisher_peltastai ; Peltastai
category infantry
class missile
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_missile_peltastai, 40, 0, 1.05
mount_effect elephant +2, chariot +4, horse -1
attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, can_sap, very_hardy
formation 1.4, 1.4, 1.4, 1.8, 5, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 6, 4, javelin, 55, 6, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
stat_pri_attr thrown
stat_sec 7, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 8, 9, 4, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 2
stat_ground 2, -2, 0, -4
stat_mental 10, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 155
stat_fire_delay -70000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1218, 305, 85, 386, 1218
ownership thrace, macedon, carthage, romans_julii, numidia, romans_brutii, slave

;169
type hellenistic infantry heavy pezhetairoi
dictionary hellenistic_infantry_heavy_pezhetairoi ; Pezhetairoi
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type Light_1
soldier hellenistic_infantry_pezhetairoi_koinonphalangitai, 60, 0, 1.4, 0.32
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect elephant -1, horse +1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, very_hardy
formation 1, 1, 1, 1, 8, square, phalanx
stat_health 1, 6
stat_pri 18, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.17
stat_pri_attr long_pike, light_spear
stat_sec 9, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 10, 11, 5, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 0, -2, -6, -4
stat_mental 15, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 1
stat_fire_delay 5000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 2077, 519, 50, 80, 2077
ownership romans_brutii, macedon, thrace, romans_julii, numidia, slave





;338
type celtic infantry galatiantindanotae
dictionary celtic_infantry_galatiantindanotae ; Galatikoi Tindanotae
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type General_1
soldier celtic_infantry_gaesatae_tindanotae, 30, 0, 1.22
mount_effect elephant -2, chariot +2, horse -1
attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, frighten_foot, very_hardy, warcry
formation 1.2, 1.8, 1.2, 2, 3, square
stat_health 2, 9
stat_pri 8, 12, javelin, 40.3, 2, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown, ap
stat_sec 14, 12, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.225
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 3, 16, 6, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 0
stat_ground 2, -2, 4, 1
stat_mental 20, impetuous, untrained
stat_charge_dist 45
stat_fire_delay -55000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 3356, 839, 95, 224, 3356
ownership carthage, romans_julii, numidia






;249
type roman infantry camillan rorarii
dictionary roman_infantry_camillan_rorarii ; Rorarii
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type General_1
soldier roman_infantry_rorarii, 60, 0, 1.05
officer ebofficer_roman_early_standard
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap
formation 1, 1.5, 1.1, 1.5, 5, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 6, 4, javelin, 55, 3, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown
stat_sec 10, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr light_spear
stat_pri_armour 4, 8, 6, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 0, -2, -2, -4
stat_mental 9, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 55
stat_fire_delay -55000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 959, 240, 20, 30, 959
ownership seleucid, slave

;239
type roman infantry hastati early
dictionary roman_infantry_hastati_early ; Hastati
category infantry
class light
voice_type General_1
soldier roman_infantry_hastatiearly, 40, 0, 1.15, 0.36
officer ebofficer_roman_early_centurion
officer ebofficer_roman_early_standard
mount_effect chariot +2
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy
formation 1, 1.8, 1.1, 1.8, 5, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 6, 4, pilum, 35, 2, thrown, blade, piercing, spear, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown, ap
stat_sec 11, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 4, 11, 6, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 0, -2, -2, -4
stat_mental 12, disciplined, trained
stat_charge_dist 35
stat_fire_delay -55000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1006, 252, 50, 70, 1006
ownership seleucid, slave

;248
type roman infantry principes early
dictionary roman_infantry_principes_early ; Principes
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type General_1
soldier roman_infantry_principesearly, 40, 0, 1.15, 0.36
officer ebofficer_roman_early_centurion
officer ebofficer_roman_early_standard
mount_effect chariot +2
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy
formation 1, 1.8, 1.1, 1.8, 5, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 6, 4, pilum, 35, 2, thrown, blade, piercing, spear, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown, ap
stat_sec 14, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr light_spear
stat_pri_armour 6, 12, 6, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 2
stat_ground 0, -2, -2, -4
stat_mental 14, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 35
stat_fire_delay -55000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1046, 262, 50, 80, 1046
ownership seleucid, slave

;251
type roman infantry triarii early
dictionary roman_infantry_triarii_early ; Triarii
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type General_1
soldier roman_infantry_triariiearly, 40, 0, 1.22, 0.32
officer ebofficer_roman_early_centurion
officer ebofficer_roman_early_standard
mount_effect elephant -1, horse +1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, very_hardy
formation 0.78, 1, 0.74, 1, 4, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 14, 8, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_pri_attr light_spear
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 12, 12, 6, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 4
stat_ground 0, -2, -4, -4
stat_mental 16, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 5000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1623, 406, 50, 697, 1623
ownership seleucid, slave

Если кто-то посодействует в тестировании и поделится впечатлениями и замечаниями - буду весьма благодарен.

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Новые кельты (часть)

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type celtic infantry solduros
dictionary celtic_infantry_solduros ; Solduros
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type General_1
soldier celtic_infantry_arjos_rycalawre_solduros_kuarothoroi, 40, 0, 1.2, 0.36
officer ebofficer_celtic_standardbearer
mount_effect elephant -4, horse +1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, very_hardy, warcry
formation 0.86, 1.4, 1, 1.8, 4, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 13, 8, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.225
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 18, 8, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr light_spear
stat_pri_armour 12, 14, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 5
stat_ground 2, -3, 4, 1
stat_mental 18, disciplined, trained
stat_charge_dist 100
stat_fire_delay 5000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 3193, 798, 80, 130, 3193
ownership gauls, scythia, slave

;99
type celtic infantry lugoae
dictionary celtic_infantry_lugoae ; Lugoae
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type General_1
soldier germanic_infantry_frankamannoz_lugoae, 60, 0, 1.1
officer ebofficer_celtic_officer
officer ebofficer_celtic_standardbearer
mount_effect elephant -3
attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hardy, warcry
formation 1, 1.2, 0.9, 1.2, 6, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 14, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_pri_attr light_spear
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 1, 12, 5, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 2, -3, 4, 1
stat_mental 10, impetuous, untrained
stat_charge_dist 100
stat_fire_delay 5000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 859, 215, 50, 70, 859
ownership britons, gauls, scythia, egypt, seleucid, macedon, thrace, numidia, romans_julii, greek_cities, carthage, dacia, slave

;36
type celtic infantry gaesatae
dictionary celtic_infantry_gaesatae ; Gaesatae
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type General_1
soldier celtic_infantry_gaesatae_tindanotae, 30, 0, 1.22
mount_effect elephant -2, chariot +2, horse -1
attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, frighten_foot, very_hardy, warcry
formation 1.2, 1.8, 1.2, 2, 3, square
stat_health 2, 9
stat_pri 8, 12, javelin, 40.3, 2, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown, ap
stat_sec 14, 12, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.225
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 3, 16, 6, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 2, -2, 4, 1
stat_mental 21, impetuous, untrained
stat_charge_dist 45
stat_fire_delay -55000
stat_food 30, 600
stat_cost 1, 3356, 839, 95, 224, 3356
ownership gauls, scythia, egypt, slave

;61
type celtic infantry gaeroas
dictionary celtic_infantry_gaeroas ; Gaeroas
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type General_1
soldier celtic_infantry_gaeroas_balroae, 50, 0, 1.1
officer ebofficer_celtic_officer
officer ebofficer_celtic_standardbearer
mount_effect elephant -3
attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hardy, warcry
formation 1, 1.4, 1.1, 1.4, 5, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 6, 6, javelin, 45, 3, thrown, archery, piercing, spear, 10 , 1
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown
stat_sec 15, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr light_spear
stat_pri_armour 1, 13, 5, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 2, -3, 4, 1
stat_mental 12, impetuous, untrained
stat_charge_dist 45
stat_fire_delay -55000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1208, 302, 50, 70, 1208
ownership britons, gauls, scythia, egypt, seleucid, macedon, thrace, numidia, romans_julii, greek_cities, carthage, dacia, slave

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type celtic infantry bataroas
dictionary celtic_infantry_bataroas ; Bataroas
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type General_1
soldier celtic_infantry_bataroas_northerncuroas, 50, 0, 1.1
officer ebofficer_celtic_officer
officer ebofficer_celtic_standardbearer
mount_effect elephant -2, chariot +2
attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, very_hardy, warcry
formation 1.2, 1.4, 1.1, 1.2, 5, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 6, 8, javelin, 35, 2, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown
stat_sec 10, 8, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.225
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 4, 13, 5, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 2, -3, 4, 1
stat_mental 14, impetuous, untrained
stat_charge_dist 45
stat_fire_delay -55000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1503, 376, 196, 374, 1503
ownership gauls, scythia, slave

Бой кельтов против римлян

Сложность нормал, у кельтов солдуросы, батароасы, 2 гаероас и 2 лугоае, у римлян 2 триарии, 2 принципы, 2 гастаты. Победа героическая, но бой прошел хоть и напряжно, но превосходство кельтов все же чувствуется. Оно и правильно, кельты тех лет били римлян в хвост и гриву. Вот римляне Полибия уже способны хорошо надрать холку кельтам. Ну и ополчение кельтов - лугоае и гаероас хоть и дерутся неплохо, но нестойкие и могут побежать в самый интересный момент. Те же римляне в бою намного предсказуемее.
Триарии удивили, после бегства остальных войск 2 отряда триариев держались в полном окружении еще минуту и даже не начинали колебаться, были стойкие. Тот отряд, где не было капитана, дрогнул первым и встал насмерть, а отряд с капитаном побежал, точнее тоже встал насмерть, только когда убили капитана (в отряде оставалось ~12 чел).
В таком бою, где римская стойкость и дисциплина значат не меньше, чем сила и отвага варваров, очень много значит присутствие на поле героических воинов-фанатиков, одно их появление способно поколебать римскую решимость.